G'day Mike and Philip,
You guys lost me some time ago. Mike did not say PNG he said New Guinea.
Philip why are we discussing your memories of possible mistakes in the
matching of illustrations and birds present in the Jurong Park? The
question was about the identity of the bird in the picture. You are
right Philip that the distribution of the bird does not make my
identification correct but you tender no evidence to challenge my
identification. As to the number of islands Frith and Beehler name five
and Pratt and Beehler list two and 'some nearby islands'.
I see no indication that this bird is not a member of the Paradisaea but
if some one can draw a feature to my attention which challenges that I
can send the picture on to Cliff and Dawn Frith for their opinion. As
the Red Bird of Paradise female is the only one with the pale bill, dark
face and throat, yellow crown, neck and upper breast I am not sure what
the discussion is about.
When it comes to references for birds of paradise I'd rather go for
Frith and Beehler (Bill Cooper did the species plates for that too) and
while they list fifteen presumed intergeneric and seven intrageneric
hybrids it is possible that in captivity there may be more, by accident
and/or design.
Alan
On 8/03/2018 7:08 PM, Philip Veerman wrote:
Hi Mike,
That consideration doesn't make Alan correct or not. It is surely too weird looking to
coincidentally be anything other than one of the BOP. Jurong Bird Park has birds from all
around the world. However, according to the Forshaw & Cooper, Birds of Paradise &
Bowerbirds, book, painting and text (and there are none better than Cooper), this photo is
an exact match to Red Bird of Paradise, female. It doesn't actually occur in PNG but only
on three islands off the extreme west of Papua, Irian Jaya. I can only add that whilst male
& female Bird of Paradise are all / mostly very different in special feathers and
colours, I recall the two birds in the aviary were more different in shape and size and
probably beak to be the same species of BOP. Sadly not that odd for zoo labels to be wrong.
Philip
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tarburton
Sent: Thursday, 8 March, 2018 7:45 PM
To: Philip Veerman
Cc:
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Help Again
G’day
If this bird is also found in New Guinea then Alan is correct it is a female
BOP.
Cheers
Mike
On 8 Mar 2018, at 8:13 AM, Philip Veerman <> wrote:
I believe I recall seeing the same bird at Jurong Bird Park in September
2014 and wondering what it is. The little camera I have is insufficient for
taking bird photos. I knew it was a female Bird of Paradise (of some kind).
By my memory, the label on the aviary was to the effect of another Bird of
Paradise species, I don't remember which. At the time I believed that the
aviary contained a male and female of 2 different species of Bird of
Paradise. I recall thinking it was maybe correct for the male. If it was not
the same bird, then my story is still true.
Philip
-----Original Message-----
From: Birding-Aus On Behalf Of
Alan Gillanders
Sent: Wednesday, 7 March, 2018 6:22 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Help Again
David,
That's a Red Bird of Paradise, female.
Regards,
Alan
On 7/03/2018 4:44 PM, wrote:
Hi all
I hope you don't mind if I post a photo of the odd bird from overseas
which
I cannot identify? The attached photo was taken a little while ago at the
Jurong Bird Park. I have no idea what it is. Any help out there?
Thanks
David in Blackheath
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