To: Judith L-A <>, Philip Veerman <>
Subject: mimicry?
From: martin cachard <>
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 05:05:27 +0000
Hi Judith,

I think that Philip's very good suggestions of mimicry by Olive-backed Oriole 
and Satin Bowerbird could be considered as possibly the source of the Green 
Catbird-like call that you heard.

And further, I have seen a few pretty good southern birders 'tripped-up' by a 
Yellow (Green) Oriole's scolding call up here, thinking at first they had heard 
a Spotted Catbird.And I know that O-b Orioles make a similar call to this.

And what about the possibilty of it being a Figbird that you heard? HANZAB is 
inconclusive as to whether they do mimic, but I have heard them do so, and 
they're pretty good at it too - they are orioles after all...

But of course, it could have been a catbird making the call. Up here in The Wet 
Tropics there is some very local post-breeding dispersal undertaken by Spotted, 
but I've only seen them in vine(rain)forest at this time. Perhaps others up 
here can add comment to this.

Maybe down there Green Catbirds also disperse after breeding... Do you have any 
good fruiting trees/orchards nearby to your place??

It's worth thinking about I reckon... Until at least you here the call again 
and can track it down.

cheers for now,

martin cachard,

solar whisper wildlife cruise,

daintree river, FNQ

& trinity beach, cairns

From: Birding-Aus <> on behalf of Judith L-A 
Sent: Sunday, 21 January 2018 1:56 AM
To: Philip Veerman
Subject: mimicry?

Thanks, Philip, I reckon I can add this to my house list in good conscience 
now! Still amazed.
SEQ 500m

> On 20 Jan. 2018, at 9:37 am, Philip Veerman <> wrote:
> I don't know about Catbird dispersal but I would suggest 20 km is not a lot
> for dispersal. Also in general, if you hear sounds of just one species and a
> range of these, it is not usually likely to be mimicry, it is more likely to
> be the real thing, unless there is some reason why not. Most mimics copy a
> range of sounds, and usually in subsong, so not very loud. So the calls they
> reproduce are generally not one species, but a range of species sounds.
> There are some specialist mimics, such as Lyrebird & Regent Honeyeater that
> do very specific behaviour. As for what other bird/s might reproduce a range
> of Catbird vocalisations? The question is not about the Catbird, The
> question would be what species known as mimics do you have in your area,
> that may also visit forest. All sorts, Satin Bowerbird is an obvious option,
> O-b Oriole, Magpie....... I once had a Wedge-tailed Eagle (and other things)
> calling from the tree in my yard. It wasn't, it was an Oriole.
> Philip
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Birding-Aus  On Behalf Of
> Judith L-A
> Sent: Saturday, 20 January, 2018 2:23 AM
> To: 
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] mimicry?
>> From the garden a few days ago, I could have sworn I heard a Catbird. At
> about 20km from Catbird rainforest, I wonder:
> - whether Catbirds disperse/ migrate in midsummer? or
> - what other bird/s might reproduce a range of Catbird vocalisations?
> Judith
> SEQ 500m
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