Any international dove/pigeon experts out there?

To: Philip Veerman <>
Subject: Any international dove/pigeon experts out there?
From: Carl Clifford <>
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 08:17:15 +0000
I reckon it is most likely a GIP. Post it on the Orientation Bird Club Face
Book page for confirmation

On Monday, January 1, 2018, Philip Veerman <> wrote:

> Good question. I am not an international dove/pigeon expert but I
> independently came to the same idea as Allan. From consulting the various
> (4) Asian bird guide books I have (not including the book Allan mentioned).
> I am not sure but would be confident it is one of that genus. The head
> pattern certainly only fits Grey Imperial-Pigeon Ducula pickeringii from
> the
> books I looked at but the Philippines book says of it "easily separable
> from
> the Green Imperial-Pigeon by the brownish grey wings and by the grey, not
> chestnut undertail coverts. Your photo shows green tinged wings and a clear
> buff to apricot colour undertail coverts, so that comes closer to Green
> Imperial-Pigeon. Being captive, I would not rule out a hybrid of these two
> species as this shows characters of both. Jurong Bird Park certainly houses
> mixtures of some similar species. Maybe you should send the enquiry to them
> and see what they reply (if at all). Both species are apparently common, at
> least in Philippines. Or the books maybe only describe adults properly or
> maybe with so many islands there is a lot of variation that books cannot
> cover them all. It is certainly not a Red Turtle-Dove, most obviously as
> the
> plain coloured tail is nothing like the members of that group.
> Philip
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Birding-Aus  On Behalf
> Of
> Allan Richardson
> Sent: Monday, 1 January, 2018 3:36 PM
> To: David Jackson
> Cc: 
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Any international dove/pigeon experts out there?
> Looks like a Grey Imperial-Pigeon Ducula pickeringii to me David.
> Found it in my Birds of Borneo guide - if that is a assistance - the
> overall
> build and architecture suggest Imperial-Pigeon to me and grey looks like
> the
> best fit.
> Kind regards,
> Allan Richardson
> > On 1 Jan 2018, at 3:07 pm, David Jackson <> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi All,  I apologise for the earlier mail without a readable photo...I
> hope
> > this is OK!!!
> > I have attached one of the dove I saw a few days ago in Jurong Park in
> > Singapore. It could I guess be from anywhere and I certainly cannot find
> it.
> > Someone suggested the Red Turtle dove but it lacks the bar on its neck.
> Any
> > ideas? New World?
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > David in Blackheath
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