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Pitta name change

To: Michael Hunter <>
Subject: Pitta name change
From: Dave Torr <>
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 03:58:47 +0000
Sorry - should have included one more line from the spreadsheet - all E.
macklotti.
Can't answer the question - IOC treats them as separate.....

On 13 April 2017 at 13:49, Michael Hunter <> wrote:

> So, to be pedantic about it, these are now subspecies of Erythropitta
>  macklotii,  previously of E. Erythrogaster ?
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> The fifth column only says” Cape York Pen” as breeding range for
> digglesii,  loriae as breeding se New Guinea.           Presumably
> digglesii is not defined by being a breeding migrant to Cape York ?      Is
> digglesii sympatric with loriae in se NewGuinea?
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> *From:* Dave Torr 
> *Sent:* Thursday, 13 April 2017 1:10 PM
> *To:* Michael Hunter
> *Cc:* birding-aus
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> *Subject:* Re: [Birding-Aus] Pitta name change
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> From the IOC list (the 5th col is the breeding range)
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> habenichti
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> (Finsch, 1912)
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> n New Guinea
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> SSP
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> Valid ssp? (Collar et al. 2015, Beehler & Pratt 2016)
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> finschii
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> (Ramsay, EP, 1884)
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> D'Entrecasteaux Arch.
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> SSP
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> Valid ssp? (Collar et al. 2015, Beehler & Pratt 2016)
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> macklotii
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> (Temminck, 1834)
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> w and s New Guinea
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> SSP
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> Includes *aruensis, kuehni, strenua*
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> loriae
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> (Salvadori, 1890)
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> se New Guinea
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> SSP
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> includes* oblita*, but see Collar et al. (2015)
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> digglesi
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> (Krefft, 1869)
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> Cape York Pen.  (ne Australia)
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> SSP
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> see Shodde & Mason 1999, Collar et al 2016. Includes* yorki*
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> On 13 April 2017 at 12:53, Michael Hunter <>
> wrote:
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> Thanks Dave.
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>                                 What is the distribution of the other 4
> New Guinean Erythropitta macklotii,   and do they have fabulous  names like
> “digglesi “?   If they do this would take the edge of the foreign
> infliction of  name changes.
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>                                Who is Diggles anyway, a Papuan aviator?
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> *From:* Dave Torr 
> *Sent:* Thursday, 13 April 2017 8:45 AM
> *To:* Charles
> *Cc:* Michael Hunter; 
> *Subject:* Re: [Birding-Aus] Pitta name change
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> According to IOC there are 5 subspecies - 4 are only in New Guinea, the
> 5th commutes between New Guinea and Cape York, so I guess the name is fair!
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> On 13 April 2017 at 07:58, Charles via Birding-Aus <
> > wrote:
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> Hi Michael,
>
> A couple of Indonesian birding pals told me about the (proposed) name
> change in May 2016 when I was in Sulawesi.....
>
> Is it Papuan because it spends more time there than Australia?
>
> Cheers,
> Charles Hunter
> +61 402 907 577
> > On 12 Apr 2017, at 11:09 PM, Michael Hunter <>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Without sounding bitta about it, why are we Antipodeans last to know
> about, and did we have any input into, the name change fro Red-bellied to
> Papuan Pitta?
> >
> >               Tears not Cheers
> >
> >                       Michael
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> >>  1. IOC7.1 has changed Red-bellied Pitta (Tania Ireton)
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> >> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 20:04:42 +1000
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> >> Has anyone noticed that the latest IOC list, version 7.1, has split
> >> Red-bellied Pitta, Erythropitta erythrogaster?  The common name for
> >> Red-bellied Pitta has disappeared.  The scientific name now belongs to
> >> Phillipine Pitta and the bird in Australia is now the Papuan Pitta,
> >> Erythropitta macklotii (sub-species digglesi).
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> >> Regards,
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> >> Tania
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