Cash for Night Parrot.

To: Barney Enders <>
Subject: Cash for Night Parrot.
From: Andrew Thelander <>
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 01:34:17 +0000

I think you make some valid points here. Bird tourists and bird tour operators 
(who, of course, have a financial interest in the venture and an interest in 
having happy clients) who advocate for access to rare bird habitat need to be 
accountable for their behaviour and its consequences. I think you will find 
that most are happy to stay within limits to put the interests of the birds 
first. The question is - how do we know what those limits are? If I recall 
correctly, rangers in NZ started feeding kakapos in tough seasons to get them 
through only to later discover that this affected the sex ratios from breeding! 
An entirely unexpected result (people who know more about this, feel free to 
correct me).

On the other hand, the point has already been made that night parrots are 
likely flushed by passing kangaroos and cattle. Their nests are raided by 
snakes. They have survived to this day by being resilient - despite the 
desolation of the cattle industry over the decades. The ground parrot has been 
equally resilient - given some suitable habitat and appropriate fire regimes, 
it will hang on. I feel confident that BHA and its expert advisors can 
establish some sensible limits within which visitors will stand a real chance 
of seeing and/or hearing night parrots without unduly disturbing them. Tourists 
will need to be supervised but will be sensible about the chances of a dip.

Birding-aus is a pro-science forum, by and large, and the scientists are 
telling us we are entering a mass extinction event (in 1999, Harry Recher 
predicted that Australia will lose over half its terrestrial bird species this 
century). Get used to more discussion about endangered species management. A 
lot of that discussion will be the usual BS about “we can’t afford to save it” 
when we can always afford to send massively expensive jets to bomb villages in 
the Middle East and to publicly fund dubious dirty coal projects at home.


> On 26 Mar 2017, at 10:46 am, Barney Enders <> wrote:
> How are they going to show someone a Night Parrot ? 
> Walk in a line and kick every Spinifex bush to flush one.
> Sit in a group and run playbacks all night .
> Or tell them  "Sorry you should have been here last week, they were here
> then "
> It took weeks if not months or years to see and photograph them before.
> If they are going to take them to the exact spot they are nesting or where
> they camp during the day  isn't that defeating the purpose of trying
> to protect them.
> It will only disturb them and make them shift to another location perhaps
> outside the area preserved for them, not many bird live their life in the
> one area.
> I think the suggested raffle idea is the best, $5 or $10 a ticket, most
> people would consider it a donation and if you are lucky enough to win it
> give them a week with the crew working out there with the bird.
> Run one every 6 or 12 months till the debt is cleared or at least the
> interest is paid for.
> I think more than just bird watchers would throw in for a ticket.
> I can see the present idea is just defeating the purpose and they are on the
> track to stuff up all the good work that has been done.
> They have lived for hundreds of years without being disturbed, how do we
> know how they will react to people trooping around their territory, it might
> only be on
> rare occasions but that might just be enough.
> Barney
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