Err yes and no...the banded stilt is more likely to be more closely related
to teh avocets so should be Banded Avocet maybe...
Cas
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:50 AM, John Graff <> wrote:
> The problem is we have two stilts in Australia, one has a completely white
> head, and it isn't the 'White-headed'!
>
>
> J.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Birding-Aus <> on behalf of
> Clive Nealon <>
> Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2017 7:32 AM
> To: Martin Cake; Birding-Aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] names
>
> I'm not sure I understand the problem with White-headed Stilt. If the
> Australian form is considered distinct, as it is by IOC, then the
> 'White-headed' fits perfectly with the scientific name given (Himantopus
> leucocephalus).
> If it is to be considered a race of H. himantopus then Black-winged Stilt
> is the widely recognised name for that form.
>
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Martin Cake <>
> wrote:
>
> > Mostly in reply to Frank -
> >
> > Yes I should stress that IOC has proactive and thoughtful Aust
> > representation and has generally done a great job on English names. Swan
> > River Honeyeater being one exception, but that was soon corrected - proof
> > that the flexible and democratic IOC process works. And yes White–headed
> > Stilt being another, and hopefully that can be fixed too. Clements
> changed
> > to Pied Stilt in 2006, HBW use Pied Stilt for the subspecies (Frank -
> note
> > the HBW books and HBW Alive DO often list English names for distinctive
> > subspecies), as do the New Zealanders so if BLA continue to split it then
> > great to hear they will adopt that name too. But if BLA instead adopt
> > BirdLife International’s lump, then they should stick with the
> > international name of Black-winged Stilt – you can’t play it both ways.
> >
> > Yes some credit is due to BLA for reviving the ENC back from the dead.
> > Sounds hopeful that some of the awful regional names for subspecies will
> be
> > replaced by authentic names. But that will not solve the problem while
> the
> > HBW/BLI taxonomy remains, and this will remain a major roadblock for
> > engagement with IOC/Clements on English names. It is not as simple as
> > saying the taxon level doesn’t matter for English names.
> > For example, where a split taxon is distributed right across Australia
> but
> > BLA lumps it, there will be no reason to debate an Australian name or
> > record it in WLAB. eg. Torresian/Collared Kingfisher, Australasian/Purple
> > Swamphen.
> > 2nd example, where a split taxon is polytypic, there is currently no
> > mechanism for WLAB to name subspecies “groups”, as Clements does
> > proactively. e.g. Copperback Quail-thrush, Silver-backed Butcherbird.
> > Finally the slow laboured process you describe Frank, weighed down by
> > bureaucratic paperwork, is hardly compatible with the sort of nimble ENC
> I
> > was calling for!
> >
> > But if people want to participate in useful debate on English names, how
> > about proactively debating names for Aust Raven perplexus (Waardong Raven
> > perhaps?) and Scarlet Robin campbelli (please not Campbell’s Robin!) ?
> >
> > (On aboriginal names, yes these are potentially a great idea but there
> are
> > some big cultural barriers, firstly the advice I’ve had is that the
> > taxon/bird's distribution should closely match the language group used to
> > be culturally appropriate (pretty unlikely when you look at a language
> > map), and secondly the difficulty in seeking let alone obtaining official
> > “permission" to use them)
> >
> > Martin
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