It didn’t stop her being criticised though.
Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow
PO Box 71
Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841
043 8650 835
PhD candidate, Southern Cross University, Lismore, NSW.
Founding Member: Ecotourism Australia
Nominated by Earthfoot for Condé Nast’s International Ecotourism Award, 2004.
With every introduction of a plant or animal that goes feral this continent
becomes a little less unique, a little less Australian.
On 20 May 2016, at 10:46 am, Eric Jeffrey <> wrote:
> I doubt there are many top world birders who have not used guides. There is a
> big difference between Vardaman and Snetsinger. Vardaman used guides to show
> him birds and tell him what they were. Snetsinger mainly used guides for the
> logistics of getting places. She really studied the birds and often knew them
> as well as the guides. She was quite meticulous.
> Eric Jeffrey
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On May 19, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Denise Goodfellow <>
>> One of those I surveyed for the PhD stated: "I think foreign birding is
>> rather spoon fed, a person doesn’t have to know the birds, id (identify)
>> them, or find them. To me listing them doesn’t really matter because of
>> this. If you have enough money and time (and motivation), you have a huge
>> Tthis lady may have been referring to those ‘big’ listers who used guides,
>> for example Snetsinger and Vardaman, and not those who set out to do it all
>> by themselves. However, a number of men made similar points.
>> The competition involved in listing (Tony’s 'silly " I'm better than you”
>> game') appears to be a big turn off, particularly for women, and may play a
>> part in their lower membership of bodies with a focus on listing, such as
>> the American Birding Association.
>> Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow
>> PO Box 71
>> Darwin River, NT, Australia 0841
>> 043 8650 835
>> PhD candidate, Southern Cross University, Lismore, NSW.
>> Founding Member: Ecotourism Australia
>> Nominated by Earthfoot for Condé Nast’s International Ecotourism Award,
>> With every introduction of a plant or animal that goes feral this continent
>> becomes a little less unique, a little less Australian.
>>> On 20 May 2016, at 8:15 am, Tony Russell <> wrote:
>>> Were they ever practical ? Or of any use whatsoever ? Surely only the
>>> attention seeking misdirected aspirations of the person with too much time
>>> and money to expend are involved. It's just a silly " I'm better than you"
>>> game and the money would be better given to a deserving charity ( and for
>>> the person to get a job).
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Birding-Aus On Behalf Of
>>> Peter Shute
>>> Sent: 19 May 2016 21:11
>>> To: Anne Brophy
>>> Cc: Birding Aus; Tim
>>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] John Weigel
>>> I haven't read Kingbird Highway, but I see that it's set in 1973. I believe
>>> Roy Wheeler and Kevin Bartram, who did their Australian big years not that
>>> long after, also didn't drive.
>>> I think it would be impossible to break the record these days without a
>>> driving licence, and a lot of time and a lot of cash, let alone the
>>> organisational and birding skills and luck that have always been required.
>>> Given the increasing difficulty of breaking the record, can these attempts
>>> continue indefinitely? Surely a time will come when the personal cost won't
>>> be worth the tiny chances of beating the record. And surely, as the record
>>> gets harder to beat, the temptation to take "shortcuts" will increase, and
>>> with it the need to provide the proof that is being asked of John Wiegel.
>>> It's a big ask to expect someone to get a photo of every bird, and as we
>>> saw in a recent Victorian big year, even a photo can be insufficient proof.
>>> Are big years becoming impractical?
>>> Peter Shute
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