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Is anyone else sick of BirdLife Australia marketing?

To: Susan Knowles <>, Tony Russell <>
Subject: Is anyone else sick of BirdLife Australia marketing?
From: Maris Lauva <>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 07:10:25 +0000
Hope you're not classifying what we're on about as an "animal charity" along 
with the lost cats home. I think conservation goes to the heart of what is 
crucial to human society. (unless you're part of the developing sub-species 
happy to be ensconced in concrete, sitting behind a screen all day and eating 
engineered tofu). :-)

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From: Birding-Aus <> on behalf of Susan 
Knowles <>
Sent: Tuesday, 8 December 2015 2:42 PM
To: Tony Russell
Cc: ; Fred Mack
Subject: Is anyone else sick of BirdLife      Australia       marketing?

William Macaskill in “Doing good better” attempts to provide information to let 
you choose the most effective charities. It’s worth a read and I think refers 
to a web site which I think helps with this   http://www.effectivealtruism.org. 
 I don’t think he rates animal charities as saving human lives is his basis for 
judgement.


> On 8 Dec 2015, at 2:38 PM, Tony Russell <> wrote:
>
> And how do you identify those charities wherein even some of the donated 
> funds go to those in need and not mostly to the charity staff and management 
> ?  I've stopped all my donations to charities and do gooder funds because of 
> this unknown, and because of the way they pester you interminably once they 
> get your address or phone number.
> I did contribute modestly on line ( and therefore more unidentifiably) to the 
> recent bushfire relief funds, mainly because it was all so horrifying and I 
> wanted to help those who had suffered, but I could only assume, hopefully 
> correctly, that the banks did see to it that the money went where it was 
> needed in this case. I could be wrong though.  If it had been possible I 
> would have preferred to hand the money directly to the distraught families, 
> but that wasn't possible because the public were not  allowed into the 
> fireground in case we were looters or rubbernecks.
>
> Tony.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Birding-Aus  On Behalf Of 
> Carl Clifford
> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 12:36 PM
> To: Fred Mack
> Cc: 
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Is anyone else sick of BirdLife Australia 
> marketing?
>
> It looks like BLA has hired marketeers from the pester school of marketing, 
> whose technique seems to be based on the tenet that if they keep on dunning 
> you, you will donate, in the hope that they will go away. Unfortunately, they 
> don't, they just see a sucker and come in for more. I have just changed ISP's 
> and they are the same, ringing me 3-4 times a week, usually at meal times, 
> trying to sell me their mobile phone packages.
>
> What worries me about this style of marketing by charities,such as BLA, is 
> the percentage of donations that are absorbed by marketing, in the form of 
> salaries, printing and postage etc. It has got to the point with mainstream 
> charities such as the Salvos, St Vinnies, that I no longer donate, because I 
> know that the majority of my donations will not go to whom I am hoping to 
> help. I only now donate to causes where I know my mony is really going to 
> make a difference.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Clifford
>
>> On 7 Dec 2015, at 10:09 PM, Fred Mack <> wrote:
>>
>> https://support.birdlife.org.au/emailviewonwebpage.aspx?erid=2407986&trid=43b5737e-fb8a-4471-b824-64047318c034
>>
>> “With numbers down 84%...  how long before the Lesser Sand Plover is extinct?
>> “This Silent Shorebirds Crisis can’t continue.”
>>
>> Silent crisis? seriously, it’s been at the forefront of ornithology for 10 
>> years hasn't it… are BirdLife Australia just realizing this?.. and is this 
>> actually true? Given these people have recently said in similar marketing 
>> 90% of Australia’s woodlands have been cleared in the past few decades, we 
>> need to protect private land for Mallee- Emu-wrens (they never occured on 
>> private land as far as I know) and Magpies are going extinct, you have to 
>> wonder?
>>
>> I’ve supported this organization in the past to the tune of tens of 
>> thousands and all I get is constant negative doomsday marketing trying to 
>> guilt me into things. They must send me a dozen a year. Add to that a 
>> massive and insultingly invasive, “supporter survey” asking me everything 
>> from my income to where live!
>>
>> These people do wonderful actual conservation and research work - I know I 
>> help with much of it and they are great! but for god’s sake who is running 
>> this organization these days?
>>
>> Is anyone else totally sick of them or is it just me?
>>
>> Frank.
>>
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