Night Parrot - tickers and listers

To: David Stowe <>
Subject: Night Parrot - tickers and listers
From: Peter Shute <>
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 03:38:12 +1100
Anthea did say it was just her personal opinion, and that she only wanted 
people to "first and foremost consider the birds". I wouldn't call that a 
"pitchfork ", I interpret it as meaning "at least do no harm".

Perhaps John will clarify how serious the fire suggestion was at next weekend's 
talk in Melbourne. Everyone got their ticket?

Peter Shute

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> On 20 Feb 2015, at 10:05 pm, David Stowe <> wrote:
> Couldn’t agree more Steve.
> I’ll also never be an ornithologist and whilst i try to help out conservation 
> where i can, I don’t think anyone should have to justify the fact that they 
> simply enjoy birdwatching in whatever form gives them the most personal 
> pleasure. Does no-one else have hobbies or ways to relax that don’t actually 
> have a higher purpose? Do we judge people for reading the newspaper?
> I’ve personally been with birders who have made jokes about flushing things 
> with fire etc - but it has certainly always been tongue in cheek for sure!
> Yes if someone made the comment seriously it is terrible indeed - but lets 
> put away the pitch forks for a bit eh?
> Cheers
> Dave
>> On 20 Feb 2015, at 7:08 pm, Stephen Murray <> wrote:
>> I'm sorry, but I take exception to people setting themselves up as arbiters
>> on what is a worthwhile pastime and what isn't.  To me, birdwatching is a
>> hobby, pure and simple: I collect photographs and I enjoy playing around
>> with lists and accumulating sightings. I am not an ornithologist and have no
>> desire to become one. Therefore, I feel it is someone else's vocation to
>> contribute to the body of knowledge about birds. I personally know some
>> plane spotters, and, whilst I find it hard to relate to their excitement, I
>> would never disparage or denigrate what they do. Some people on this list
>> have a condescending attitude to twitchers and listers and are only too
>> pleased when something like this fire story comes along so that they can tar
>> everyone with the same brush.   How many twitchers do you think would set a
>> fire to flush birds out? Don't forget, that listers choose to list birds
>> rather than planes or trains or rocks. In most cases it's because they
>> actually like birds and wouldn't harm them for the world.
>> Steve Murray
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Birding-Aus  On Behalf Of
>> brian fleming
>> Sent: Friday, 20 February 2015 2:54 PM
>> To: 
>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Night Parrot - tickers and listers
>> I am personally always delighted to see a new bird.
>> I am prepared to get in the car and drive a moderate distance to go and see
>> one.  I have been known to pay money for people to show me birds in Cape
>> York and the Kimberley.
>> But I am extremely concerned - no, appalled,  to hear of  some person
>> seriously suggesting that spinifex should be fired in order to give him a
>> chance of "ticking" a Night Parrot, or anything else.  Or trespassing on
>> indigenous people's land to see a Princess Parrot, as happened a few years
>> ago.
>> My personal opinion is that far too much effort is spent on ticking species
>> and building life-lists.  If the same effort was put into studying the
>> life-histories of even common birds, we would know very much more than we
>> do.
>> Certainly atlassing has greatly built up our knowledge of bird distribution
>> and migration, and Twitchathons etc. have provided a great deal of fun for
>> those energetic enough to do it - so has digital photography. But first and
>> foremost, please let us consider the birds.
>> Anthea Fleming
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