Pizzey & Knight

To: Russell Woodford <>
Subject: Pizzey & Knight
From: Carl Clifford <>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:31:40 +1000

I was in the UK recently and I noticed some birders carting around both book 
and iPod/Pad. I did the same, taking my iPod Touch, on which I had 
NatureGuides' "Birds of Britain & Ireland". I also took "The Crossley ID 
Guide". I mostly used the Crossley guide, using the iPad for back-up and calls.

One disadvantage I found with the app, is that you can't easily scribble notes 
on the pages.

Carl Clifford

> On 28 Apr 2014, at 14:50, Russell Woodford <> wrote:
> Hi David
> My suggestion is to ask another birder to show you the app on their phone 
> next time you are at a twitch or birding in a group. They should be able to 
> give you an idea of what all the fuss is about!
> I find both Morecombe and Pizzey apps very useful for checking calls, and for 
> comparing details on birds in the field. Eg yesterday I was seeing a lot of 
> lorikeets and needed to remind myself of the differences in tail shape and 
> rump colour. The presence of several hybrids made it confusing, but having 
> this info in my hand while walking around at least made it possible to 
> speculate on the parentage of most of them!
> Russell
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On 26 Apr 2014, at 6:05 pm, David Richardson <> 
>> wrote:
>> Thank-you everybody. If I hadn't won the free cd of it I think I would
>> carry on with my books and my calls on ipod. Infact, I can read my field
>> guides in bed  which I cant do with the computer. And a book has lots of
>> birds on each page and following pages so I find it easier to look for a
>> bird Im trying to identify.I guess Im not used to how computers work and am
>> more comfortable with a familiar field guide. I thought I was going high
>> tech when I bought an ipod 7 years ago and my neice put my BOCA calls on it.
>> Thanks'
>> David
>>> On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 5:46 PM, storm <> wrote:
>>> It depends on what kind of phone you buy.
>>> If you buy an iphone, no (assuming you do not have a apple mac at home).
>>> If you have a PC and buy an android then maybe.
>>> On the computer you have at the moment you can have the internet, the
>>> email and maybe an excel spreadsheet or word document all open. You can
>>> move between the programs with the mouse.
>>> On a phone you pretty much need to close one program before you open
>>> another.
>>> That you can hear bird calls when you doing other things means you have
>>> the Pizzey guide open. If you close the program, then the sounds should
>>> stop. You might need to eject the cd from the computer.
>>> good luck
>>> storm
>>> On 26 April 2014 17:27, David Richardson <>wrote:
>>>> I don't understand a lot of that. I can only do one thing at a time on my
>>>> computer. I turn it on and click on the e and it goes to google. From
>>>> there
>>>> I use gmail and can get to birdline and facebook and google things. That's
>>>> as far as my computer knowledge goes. I put the cd for pizzey and knight
>>>> into the slot on the computer and I now have a picture of a rosella next
>>>> to
>>>> the e that I can click on and it shows the pizzey and knight electronic
>>>> version. I had to turn the speakers off because I keep hearing bird
>>>> calls.Will the  "PC "pizzey and knight I have work on an iphone or
>>>> whatever
>>>> they are if I get one?  Or is it only for the big computer at home and I
>>>> will have to buy another one to use on a phone?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> david Richardson
>>>> On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 5:03 PM, David Adams <> wrote:
>>>>>> PS  I don't know what "Android "is apart from in sci-fi movies. Im not
>>>>>> being silly, I genuinely don't understand the differences.
>>>>> Fair enough. There's now to summarize a big subject like this one
>>>> without
>>>>> skipping something important or saying things that while approximately
>>>> true
>>>>> aren't complete. Even still, I can offer you a sketch that might help.
>>>>> Android and iOS are the two dominant operating systems out there for
>>>> smart
>>>>> phones and tablets. For an end user, they're more the same than
>>>> different.
>>>>> Which one is better? Yes ;-) They have fans and detractors on both
>>>> sides,
>>>>> such is how it goes. Both are geared towards small screens,
>>>> conservation of
>>>>> battery life, and nearly instantaneous startup. If you know how to use
>>>> one,
>>>>> you could easily figure out the other. Apps on Android and iOS often
>>>> look
>>>>> and behave very nearly identically. They are both very different from
>>>>> desktop computers of whatever sort you might be using now. Instead of a
>>>>> mouse and keyboard and apps in different windows, you generally use one
>>>> app
>>>>> at a time on a small screen using your fingers.
>>>>> Android is developed by Google and then more-or-less given away to phone
>>>>> makers to include on their handsets. The dominant Android smartphone
>>>> maker
>>>>> is Samsung...but there are dozens of others.
>>>>> iOS is developed by Apple and used exclusively on their hardware:
>>>> iPhone,
>>>>> iPod Touch (iPhone without a phone), and iPad.
>>>>> Apple and Samsung have been in a court battle for years that you may
>>>> have
>>>>> seen in the headlines. It's pretty much about Apple suing Google by
>>>> proxy
>>>>> for cloning the iPhone. None of that matters much to us as users.
>>>>> You can buy a cheap Android phone at Woolies or Coles for $40-80 on sale
>>>>> but it probably won't have the memory to run the Pizzey app...or most
>>>> any
>>>>> serious birding app. Apple doesn't make low-end devices but, in many
>>>>> markets, completely owns the high-end. (High end laptops? They own it.
>>>> High
>>>>> end phones? They share it.) If you're in the price range of Apple's
>>>>> products, their kit is competitively priced with comparable gear. If you
>>>>> want something cheaper, they just don't do that. I've got a couple of
>>>>> Android phones (love them), an old iPod Touch (works great, even years
>>>>> later), and the new iPad Mini. I have to say, the Mini is the greatest
>>>>> gadget in the history of gadgets, so far as I can tell. With a sturdy
>>>> case,
>>>>> it can go in my bag and I've got thousands of pages of birding info,
>>>> sounds
>>>>> and pictures from around the world. Magic. Oh, none of these devices are
>>>>> easy to read in bright light. So, books and pads of paper still have
>>>> their
>>>>> place, to be sure. (I prefer paper guides for areas I don't know as I
>>>> flip
>>>>> through the pages a lot.)
>>>>> To buy apps for either platform, you go through a store. In the case of
>>>>> iOS, it's Apple's iTunes App Store. For Android, you've got choices. The
>>>>> biggest and most trusted is Google's Play store. Many apps are free.
>>>> When
>>>>> you buy an app, it's usually licensed for one account on multiple
>>>> devices.
>>>>> So, if you have a tablet and a phone you can often buy one copy of the
>>>> app
>>>>> and legally use it on your two devices. With Apple, the license is
>>>> always
>>>>> for 5 devices, so far as I know. For Android, it depends a bit. If you
>>>> buy
>>>>> an Android version you don't get a license for iOS or the other way
>>>> around.
>>>>> Just like buying Office for Windows doesn't let you run Office for Mac.
>>>>> Different OS, different license. And, yes, Microsoft does make a phone
>>>>> operating system and just finished buying Nokia something like
>>>> yesterday.
>>>>> Windows Phone isn't Windows, is getting increasingly positive
>>>> reviews...and
>>>>> has a trivial market share for now. So, you don't see so many apps for
>>>>> that.
>>>>> Colin R asked: "why is it cheaper for androids?"
>>>>> Probably because Android users are, as a market, far, far, far less
>>>>> inclined to spend money on apps. I assume that Guy Gibbons is
>>>> attempting to
>>>>> get the best price he can for his efforts, and fair enough. Also, if the
>>>>> Android version is licensed for two devices and the iOS one for
>>>> five...some
>>>>> people will find it cheaper on iOS. Birding apps as a category are some
>>>> of
>>>>> the more expensive apps I've seen on either platform.
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