Night Parrot and John Young has done it

To: Ian May <>
Subject: Night Parrot and John Young has done it
From: PennyDB <>
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 15:46:49 +1000
Quite agree - why is it that people have to be so negative - is it that they have failed to find the bird themselves? I remember the old days when any sighting by an amateur was considered unacceptable until a professional had confirmed it..... now that's opening another can of worms!

This detraction of John Young is incomprehensible and I have to question why such a post was not moderated and removed from the list. The victimisation against John under any circumstances on this forum is shameful.

There should be no detraction from the significance of this Night Parrot discovery. It is the greatest Australian ornithological find that has happened in my life time and John Young has done it. With limited information known about the subject, he intentionally targeted the species, and then searched relentlessly for years under the most difficult of conditions. He persevered where many others would have given up and through sheer determination; he eventually found live wild birds. There was no dumb luck associated with this discovery. It is a testimonial to his generosity and stoic character that after all the intentional denigration, that he could or should ever consider sharing his information.

This monumental achievement is all in a class of its own.

Ian May
St Helens, Tasmania


Greg Roberts wrote:
It is a pity that the well-deserved accolades being heaped on John Young for
his Night Parrot discovery are tempered by the sort of reference we see here
from Geoff.

For the record, there were sound reasons for raising serious doubts about
some of John's previous pronouncements, most notably his claim to have
discovered a new species of fig-parrot. I won't go over old ground but those
reasons are detailed here:  I invite anyone with
a dispassionate interest in that affair to carefully consider the facts. I
raise this matter now only because Geoff, Lloyd and others have done so in a
derogatory way.

It is not a case of "eating humble pie". I and other critics have always
admired John's considerable expertise in the field and I made that point at
the time. John Young is a bushman and birder par excellence and that has
never been in doubt in my view. What was always a puzzle to many of us was
why some of these ploys of times past ever came into play.

I have no doubts about his current Night Parrot record and congratulate him
warmly on his exciting discovery. But be assured that the circumstances
surrounding this discovery are a world away from other matters I have
referred to.

Message: 11

Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 10:22:42 +1000

From: "Geoff Jones"<>


Subject: [Birding-Aus] Night Parrot


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Congratulations to John Young Maybe a lot of his detractors will grovel and

eat humble pie now !


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