Hi Mark,
To answer your question.. For species potentially new to Australia BARC
members will encourage folk to submit their find. If no action for a period
(no set time but normally around a year or so) then BARC members may also
recommend that others that may have seen the bird to submit.
There are many reasons for delays in submissions, for example researching
the identification of sub-adult gulls or little known Swiftlets for example,
seeking expert opinion etc. Some just hate paperwork and would rather be
watching birds than writing submissions and there will always be a few
people who think that rarities committees are a waste of time - recalling a
comment a while back "how would you guys know what I saw?" and then there
are publishers that would prefer to make up their own mind.
Yes you are correct these days taking notes in the field while watching the
bird just doesn't happen much.
Cheers,
Tony
From: Mark Stanley
Sent: Thursday, 21 March 2013 1:00 AM
To: Tony Palliser
Cc: Dave Torr;
Subject: IOC 894 or 896
Hi Tony,
Thanks for clarifying that. But I'm not quite sure from what you say what
happens if no-one makes a formal submission of, for example, the Broome
Lesser Black-backed Gull? And please be aware that I am in no way
criticising BARC. I believe that it is very important for the birding
community to have an official list of verified bird species and that the
committee does invaluable work. A quick perusal of the published rulings
indicate the care and effort required to make a decision and the long list
of under-review cases would understandably make the idea of deliberation in
the absence of a formal submission not very attractive.
But the question of "grey literature" - unverified usually internet based
publishing - will become increasingly important. The advent of high quality
digital photography makes bird identification per se significantly more
certain but it comes with I suspect a reduction in field note taking and
perhaps less formal submission of records. There may be a variety of reasons
for non-submission - observers feeling that they may not have taken
sufficiently comprehensive notes, not wanting to be embarrassed by having a
submission not accepted, afraid of stepping on the toes of the finder or
original observer, deferring to birders who may have had a better
view/photograph, being unsure of the exact taxon (there was a lot of
discussion and not a little controversy when the LBB Gull first turned up)
or simply assuming some else will. Dave Torr thinks that consideration of
birds without a submission to be a dangerous idea. I am not so sure
especially in cases of well documented new species as have occurred
recently.
Cheers
Mark
On 20 March 2013 14:55, Tony Palliser <> wrote:
Hi Mark,
Generally speaking BARC does take it on board to review "the Literature" for
example the old Cocos (Keeling) record of Lesser Black-backed Gull is
currently circulating. Some species are still to be submitted but I have no
doubt the day will come - Slaty-backed Gull springs to mind. Additionally
some species end up on the supplementary list for considerable periods and
does in some part include those "awaiting a submission".
Cheers,
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From:
On Behalf Of Mark Stanley
Sent: Wednesday, 20 March 2013 10:16 AM
To: Dave Torr
Cc:
Subject: IOC 894 or 896
"If a tree falls in a forest and no one hears it, does it make a noise?"; if
a bird is seen in Australia but it is not reported to BARC is it on the
Australia list? Both Lesser Black-backed Gull and Wigeon have been seen,
photographed and their provenance and identification extensively discussed
in this forum so is there any doubt that they will be on Australia list?
The BARC "under review" list includes an old LBB claim from the Cocos
Islands but not the recent Broome bird, nor the Wigeon.
What happens if nobody submits a record? This can easily come about if the
original observer is not that fussed/interested in going through the process
of making a submission and other viewers are reluctant to put in a
submission in case they could be viewed as "claiming" the record or do not
want to be involved in some controversial identification.
Given the fact that most significant rarities are likely to be discussed in
forums like this, perhaps BARC should take it upon itself to review "The
Literature" particularly on cases of species new to Australia. Some
acknowledgement of the original finder of the bird could then be included.
A "waiting submission" category might prompt birders to make a submission.
Cheers
Mark
On 20 March 2013 07:01, Dave Torr <> wrote:
> But are they accepted by BARC yet? It takes a while to get things
> "officially" accepted
>
> On 19 March 2013 21:59, Mark Stanley <> wrote:
>
>> Jude & Tony,
>>
>> You may want to add Wigeon and Lesser Black-backed Gull to the list now.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 20:28:45 +1100
>> From: "Tony Palliser" <>
>> To: "'Jude Latt'" <>, <>
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] IOC 891 or 893
>> Message-ID: <>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Jude,
>> It is a constant moving target these days - taxonomy is constantly
>> changing and new species are still being added regularly. I make the
>> list 891 plus 3 newly added species accepted by BARC within the last
>> couple of months
>> namely: Japanese Sparrowhawk, Chinese Sparrowhawk and Mugimaki
>> Flycatcher
>> to make the total 894. No doubt there will be more added in the not too
>> distant future also.
>>
>> Here is a link to a list prepared by David James which was updated
>> recently:
>>
>> http://www.tonypalliser.com/barc/australian_checklist.xls
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:
>> On Behalf Of Jude
>> Latt
>> Sent: Monday, 18 March 2013 5:43 PM
>> To:
>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] IOC 891 or 893
>>
>>
>> I am following the IOC Taxa and at this stage I have have 891 species
>> recorded in my Birder's Diary for Australia.
>>
>> However, missing from my Taxa list is Eurasian Hobby or Eurasian
>> Hoopoe which would increase my Taxa list by 2 .... 893 Australian
species.
>>
>>
>> Can someone please confirm out Aussie total now stands at 893 ?
>> following the IOC
>>
>>
>> Jude
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