Thanks Laurie, I'm stuck at the airport but managed to get the full article
pdf through my uni which will give me something interesting to read while I
wait the hour and a half or so left until the delayed flight is ready to
board!
On Nov 2, 2012 7:13 PM, "Laurie Knight" <> wrote:
> OK, the abstract is available at http://www.nature.com/nature/**
> journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/**nature11631.html<http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature11631.html>
> It has been published online, which means to say the paper version will be
> out in a week or so. The current reference is Nature (2012)
> doi:10.1038/nature11631
> Received 05 April 2012 Accepted 28 September 2012 Published online 31
> October 2012
>
> Regards, Laurie.
>
> On 02/11/2012, at 1:44 PM, Jeremy O'Wheel wrote:
>
> Interesting Andrew. I did notice from the families circle that their
>> analysis seemed to confirm Hackett et al. (2008), rather than Pacheco et
>> al
>> (2011) - but I guess from what you say, and the time of which they started
>> the study, that they may have used the same data as Hackett, rather than
>> confirming it. I'd really like to see a version with the individual
>> species represented, but I guess such an image might not exist.
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Andrew Hobbs <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I haven't read the full paper, only the abstract. There is some
>>> controversy as to the accuracy of the tree. Apparently they put the tree
>>> together using currently known sequences. However a lot of those
>>> sequences
>>> are only mitochondrial sequences which are rather limited (partly simply
>>> due to the size of the mitochondrial genome). That limitation means that
>>> for a lot of the linkages the evidence is somewhat flimsy. In addition
>>> for
>>> some 30% of bird species there is no DNA sequence data of any sort. In
>>> that case they relied on published morphological and paleontological data
>>> and we know how reliable that is.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/11/2012 8:47 AM, Tony Lawson wrote:
>>>
>>> You can see the tree (circle?) at:
>>>> http://25.media.tumblr.com/****tumblr_mcs62sJxRl1rx70ego1_****1280.gif<http://25.media.tumblr.com/**tumblr_mcs62sJxRl1rx70ego1_**1280.gif>
>>>> <http://25.media.**tumblr.com/tumblr_**mcs62sJxRl1rx70ego1_1280.gif<http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcs62sJxRl1rx70ego1_1280.gif>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy O'Wheel
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 11:03 AM
>>>> To: birding-aus
>>>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Complete bird phylogenetic tree
>>>>
>>>> Apparently this week's Nature has published a complete evolutionary
>>>> family
>>>> tree of all extant species of birds in the world. I couldn't find the
>>>> article on the website, but here is a press release from the University
>>>> of
>>>> Tasmania:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.utas.edu.au/tools/****recent-news/news/first-**family-**<http://www.utas.edu.au/tools/**recent-news/news/first-family-**>
>>>> tree-created-for-all-living-****bird-species<http://www.utas.**
>>>> edu.au/tools/recent-news/news/**first-family-tree-created-for-**
>>>> all-living-bird-species<http://www.utas.edu.au/tools/recent-news/news/first-family-tree-created-for-all-living-bird-species>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Jeremy
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