G'day Jeremy, Chris and Nikolas,
The Eriksen's have taken plenty of shots on the Falklands and that's
probably where the Arkive shot is from.
I'm confident the image has been stuffed up in prepress by the website, it
happens a lot on that website with images presenting way too dark especially
the midtones.
Cheers Jeff.
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From:
On Behalf Of Jeremy O'Wheel
Sent: Tuesday, 3 July 2012 9:27 AM
To: Nikolas Haass
Cc:
Subject: "Grey-headed Albatross" on Eremaea NSW
I wonder if that bird is an impavida x melanophyrs hybrid? I'm not sure of
their appearance, but there is an article in Emu from 2001 that suggests
hybrids exist (and that they have dark eyes);
http://www.publish.csiro.au/?paper=MU00074
Jeremy
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Nikolas Haass <> wrote:
> Thanks Chris,
>
> As a result of my request, the report with the photo has been taken
> off Eremaea now. The other report of a Grey-headed Albatross (two
> other
> observers) from the same spot and same day is still on Eremaea. Not
> sure if they were referring to a different bird.
>
>
> Yes, Chris, also in my experience the eye-patch of a young Campbell
> Albatross (2nd year, but also possibly 1st year) is very different
> from that of an adult Campbell Albatross and looks more like some
> smudged make-up. To me the eye-patch appears cleaner in Black-brows of
> the same age. But again, this may be very variable and I haven't seen
> any peer-reviewed evidence supporting that. The 'thing' on the link
> you are referring to looks like an adult Black-browed Albatross with
> an extreme eye-brow somewhat reminiscent of that of an adult Campbell
Albatross.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nikolas
>
>
> ----------------
> Nikolas Haass
>
> Sydney, NSW
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Chris Corben <>
> To: Nikolas Haass <>
> Cc: "" <>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 7:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] "Grey-headed Albatross" on Eremaea NSW
>
> Certainly looks like a Black-browed to me.
>
> From what I remember, the eye-patch difference between melanophris and
> impavida is apparent at a young age, long before the eye-colour means
> anything. So I'd go with melanophris.
>
> Then again, what is this thing?
>
>
> http://cdn2.arkive.org/media/E1/E107F013-8EBE-4D25-834B-FCFD542F0E55/P
> resentation.Large/Black-browed-albatross.jpg
>
> Maybe the eye-patch is more variable than I thought.....
>
> Cheers, Chris.
>
>
> On 07/01/2012 06:02 PM, Nikolas Haass wrote:
> > Hi Rob and Birding-Aus,
> >
> > Thanks. Yes, the consensus so far - based on the mentioned field
> > marks -
> is that this bird is NOT a Grey-headed Albatross.
> >
> > However, I don't agree that the underwing in 1st and 2nd year
> Black-browed/Campbell Albatross are diagnostic for either species.
> Black-browed goes from solid charcoal grey underwings at the time of
> fledging through stages similar to the "hairy armpit pattern" of a
> Campbell Albatross. Therefore in my opinion the underwing pattern
> cannot be used to tell them apart at this age. To my personal
> experience, the eye-brow shape of the Maroubra bird points more
> towards Black-browed (although admittedly this is also not evidence-based
and therefore not useful until proven).
> Unfortunately, we can't see the eye colour in the photo, which would
> also be useless in the first year but becomes more and more amber in
> the following years [and finally yellow] in Campbell.
> >
> > Grey-headed Albatross is a VERY RARE bird off NSW and heavily
> over-reported due to confusion with young Black-browed or Campbell
> Albatrosses. While juvenile and adult Grey-headed Albatross are
> straight forward to ID, 2nd and 3rd year birds are notoriously
> difficult to ID and those are the ones that cause most confusion.
> Adult Grey-headed Albatross has to my knowledge never been reported off
NSW.
> >
> > Also over-reported are Salvin's Albatross (due to confusion with
> > young
> Shy/White-capped) and Little Shearwater (due to confusion with
> Fluttering Shearwater in contrasting light conditions)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Nikolas
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