Hi Mick,
You reminded me of something odd about the Emerald Dove split that I had
forgotten to look into, does the Pacific Emerald Dove have the right species
name. The splitting of Emerald Dove in 2 gives us Pacific Emerald Dove
Chalcophaps longirostis. HANZAB lisats the east coast subspecies as
chrysochlora, which is an older name (1827) than longirsotris (1842). Under the
rules of nomenclature the species should take the name of the oldest valid
subspecies, so unless there is something wrong with chrysochlora it should be
the Pacific Emerald Dove Chalcophaps chrysochlora. Christidis & Boles did not
split the emerald doves but they indicated that if they were split the one in
Australia would be C. chrysochlora. However, it seems that chrysochlora must be
invalid, rogersi Mathews 1912 is the subspecies in the east, and longirostris
is the species name after all.
This is how the IOC classify the emerald doves
Chalcophaps indica Common Emerald Dove
C.i.indica
C.i.robinsoni
C.i.maxima
C.i.augusta
C.i.natalis
C.i.minima
C.longirostris Pacific Emerald Dove
C.l.timorensis
C. l. longirostris
C.l.rogersi
C.l.sandwichensis
C.stephani Stephan's Emerald Dove
C. s. wallacei
C.s.stephani
C.s.mortoni
David James,
Sydney
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From: Mick Roderick <>
To: David James <>; martin cachard
<>; birding-aus threads <>
Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2011 2:31 PM
Subject: New Aussie Bird List
Hi David,
Thanks for clarifying that and sorry for botching the Emerald Doves up to
people out there. I'd love to see how this taxa has been classified
internationally.
Mick
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From: David James <>
To: martin cachard <>; birding-aus threads
<>
Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2011 1:31 PM
Subject: New Aussie Bird List
Hi Martin,
The Pacific Emerald Dove is the name for birds that occur on mainland Aus and
the Pacific Islands. In Aus territory, Indian Emerald Dove occurs only on
Christmas Island
Pacific Koel is the bird on the mainland and has been recorded at Ashmore Reef.
Asian Koel is now regular on Christmas and Cocos so keep a look out for it in
the NW.
Sorry, but you dip on both for now.
I will send you a spreadsheet that compares three Australian checklists:
Christidis & Boles, the IOC-based Australian list and the BirdLife
International-based list. If anyone else wants it let me know off line.
BTW, I am working on an amazing, sophisticated algorithm to automatically and
accurately predict and tally your list without you having to tick off your
species. Basically it starts with my list and removes the birds I don't care to
share.
David James,
Sydney
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From: martin cachard <>
To: david james <>; birding-aus threads
<>
Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2011 12:29 PM
Subject: New Aussie Bird List
Hi David,
Well done with the Aust Bird List. I have to confess, that just now is the
first time that I've had a really good look at it.
I have now downloaded it, put in my records, & have let it do all the sums for
me. But, I am still 8 spp short for my 700th !!
I have had a good look at HANZAB, C&B 2008, etc but I am still none the wiser
on a few things, & I have a couple of questions for you that are a result of
new developments that don't seem to be covered in these references...
I am not sure about the 2 Emerald Doves & the 2 Eudynamys Koels listed, so far
as which spp occurs where ...
I have seen the doves in NW Aust, E Aust & Lord Howe Is - have I seen both??
I have seen Koels throughout mainland Aust also - which is it that I have seen??
The rest of the new arrangement I could work out, but these stumped me!!
Thanks in advance for your clarifications,
Martin Cachard,
Cairns,
0428 782 808
> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:31:39 -0800
> From:
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] New Aussie Bird List
>
> Hi folks,
>
> The checklist available for download on Tony Palliser's "Birders Totals" web
> page is not an 'official' checklist for Australia yet. It was prepared by me
> for the "Birders Totals" web page and for BARC. However, since BARC is a
> committee of Birds (Birdlife) Australia, BARC will not officially adopt this
> list unless BA endorses it. BARC has therefore recommended that BA consider
> it. Our recommended approach is not just a new list to replace Christidis &
> Boles but a new process to have a living checklist instead of a static one,
> consistent with the rest of the world, while retaining an appropriate guiding
> roll in the local decisions. It is worth taking a bit of time to ensure that
> we get it right.
>
> Meanwhile it is easy and fun to calculate your list:
> http://www.tonypalliser.com/totals.html
>
> Tell us what you think.
>
> David James,
>
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