Chathan Island Albatross off Australia

To: Roger McGovern <>
Subject: Chathan Island Albatross off Australia
From: David James <>
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 00:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
Good point Roger,
In fact, this situation has come to bear with records of Yellow 
Wagtail. tchutchenensis (formerly similima) is common taivana is rare and its 
status is obscure, and macronyx is exceptionally rare. These three are placed 
in two separate species by C&B 2008 and 3 species by some accounts. A similar 
situation prevailed for White and Black-backed Wagtails when they were split.  

David James, 


From: Roger McGovern <>
To: 'Daniel Mantle' <>; ; 'Andrew 
Stafford' <>
Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2011 8:56 AM
Subject: Chathan Island Albatross off Australia

Thanks guys for reminding me of the fabulous year of 1999 when I was over
working in Perth and missed about five lifers!

Daniel raises an interesting point by mentioning BARC as it has long been a
bugbear of mine that BARC and NSW ORAC do not have sub-species on their
review lists. If a sub-species such as Chatham Island 

Albatross were one day raised to full species status, then previous records
of sightings will not have been through the same rigorous review that other
rare species routinely do. It seems to me that there is a case to be made
for reviewing rare sub-species and it is something that I will raise at the
next NSW ORAC meeting.


Roger McGovern

From: Daniel Mantle  
Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 5:34 PM
To: ; 
Subject: Chathan Island Albatross off Australia

Thanks Roger,

I can reply as I am still stuck at Melbourne Airport!! I am pretty sure
there was also a Chatham Albatross off Wollongong in that mega-year (1999).
I wish I had been living in Aus then! Your 2002 records confirm what some of
the others thought - that the Gong had scored two eremita over the years. I
still think Tas has had a few too, but wouldn't even know where to start
looking for these records. There are some great seabird records on the
various marine biology databases, especially from the research vessels
leaving Tas for the Antarctic. But I guess many of these have not been
submitted to BARC. At the time of the Great Shearwaters earlier this year (I
think I forgot to post this), I could remember seeing a record of an earlier
sighting of multiple Great Shearwaters off Tas (still in Aus waters) from a
survey vessel. Maybe three birds if my memory is correct.

Cheers Dan


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