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Plan to import Silver Foxes as pets

To: 'Chris Sanderson' <>, 'John Leonard' <>
Subject: Plan to import Silver Foxes as pets
From: Peter Shute <>
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 14:54:56 +1000
Is it legal to keep foxes as pets now? I would have thought that encouraging 
that, now matter what colour they are, will result in escapees.

Peter Shute

> -----Original Message-----
> From:  
>  On Behalf Of 
> Chris Sanderson
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2011 2:28 PM
> To: John Leonard
> Cc: Birding-aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Plan to import Silver Foxes as pets
> 
> Yes, but supplementing our wild foxes with an entirely new 
> gene pool can't
> be a good thing.  It could make them genetically more robust 
> and better able
> to resist diseases, which could make any future biocontrols 
> we might come up
> with less effective.  Just an example of one possible 
> knock-on effect, who
> knows what impacts this could have that we would never 
> anticipate ahead of
> time, like Gambusia making Mosquitos worse, or that insect 
> they released to
> control Lantana that attacks Fiddlewood instead.
> 
> Also, would allowing them to be brought in as pets suddenly 
> allow a loophole
> to bring them into Tasmania freely, or onto other islands 
> like Norfolk or
> Lord Howe?
> 
> Our environment is already pretty stuffed, lets not mess with 
> it any further
> I say.
> 
> Cheers,
> Chris
> 
> ps. I agree that this isn't as bad as the Savanna Cats idea 
> though, that was
> far more terrifying.
> 
> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:17 PM, John Leonard 
> <>wrote:
> 
> > Not as stupid a plan as importing Savanna Cats, which could 
> outcompete
> > the feral cats already here and kill wildlife even more 
> efficiently,.
> > Silver Foxes are just a colour-phase of the Red Fox and if they
> > escaped would just merge into the gene-pool. Australia is already
> > fully-stocked with feral foxes.
> >
> > John Leonard
> >
> > On 6 September 2011 13:52, Carl Clifford 
> <> wrote:
> > > Greg,
> > >
> > > They will make interesting looking hybrids with the Red Fox; see
> > > 
> http://retrieverman.wordpress.com/2011/05/26/arctic-foxred-fox
> -hybrids/
> > >
> > > Carl Clifford
> > >
> > >
> > > On 06/09/2011, at 12:24 PM, Greg Little wrote:
> > >
> > > Carl
> > >
> > > Fully agree mate, there are enough exotic pests in the 
> country without
> > > introducing more.
> > >
> > > Greg Little
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: 
> > >  On Behalf Of Carl
> > Clifford
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2011 11:31 AM
> > > To: Birding-Aus Aus
> > > Subject: [Birding-Aus] Plan to import Silver Foxes as pets
> > >
> > > Dear All,
> > >
> > > Yet another bit of lunacy by the pet industry. An application to
> > > import Silver Foxes (not the type that hang out in 
> upmarket bars) as
> > > pets, has been lodged by someone in NSW. Fortunately most of our
> > > steamed leaders have not been terribly enthusiastic. Tony 
> Burke, the
> > > Fed Environment leader has said "at first glance it seems insane".
> > > Personally, I think the idea is insane no matter how many 
> glances, or
> > > even a long, hard stare are given to this idea. It is about as
> > > intelligent idea as the attempt to import Savannah Cats.
> > >
> > > Details can be found at
> > >
> > 
> http://m.smh.com.au/environment/animals/silver-fox-import-plan
> -condemned-201
> > > 10905-1jubj.html
> > >
> > > Carl Clifford
> > >
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