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Off topic - Mouse ID

To: clive herbert <>,
Subject: Off topic - Mouse ID
From: Nikolas Haass <>
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 05:10:10 -0700 (PDT)
Dear Clive Herbert,

There have been a number of scientific articles in recent decades proposing 
this 
split, which apparently has not necessarily been accepted by all authorities. 
Is 
there a recent consensus article? Moreover, has more light been shed into the 
story that laboratory mice may be hybrids between M. (m.) musculus and M. (m.) 
domesticus? And finally, albeit that undoubtedly many introduced animals came 
through the UK to Australia, how do we know that about mice, which reportedly 
were introduced accidentally by ships (theoretically originating from harbours 
in the range of either musculus or domesticus or spretus or castaneus or...)?

Regards,

Nikolas

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Nikolas Haass

Sydney, NSW



----- Original Message ----
From: clive herbert <>
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Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 8:40:43 PM
Subject: Off topic - Mouse ID


The correct specific name for the House Mouse that we have in Britain is Mus 
domesticus not Mus musculus. Originally the introduced House Mouse in Western 
Europe (including Britain) was regarded as one variable species Mus musculus. 
Several species have now been recognised, including M. spretis (Iberia), M. 
domesticus (rest of western Europe) and M. musculus (eastern Europe) which meet 
but scarcely interbreed along a line from Denmark to the Dalmatian coast. All 
of 
the lab mice etc are from M. domesticus. Assuming that the introduced 
population 
present in Australia will most likely to have originated from the UK, rather 
than mainland Europe, then your species should now be called M. domesticus.

Clive Herbert

Director

Amphibian, Reptile & Mammal Conservation Ltd

67A Ridgeway Avenue

East Barnet

Hertfordshire
England

EN4 8TL




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> Thanks to all the people who responded to my request - nearly universally 
> the mouse was identified as a plain old house mouse, Mus Musculus.
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> Bill 
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