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Sparrows

To: Philip Veerman <>, Bill Jolly <>, birding-aus <>
Subject: Sparrows
From: Nikolas Haass <>
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 05:08:00 -0800 (PST)
The problem with taxonomically unrelated birds with the same name is the 
consequence of "non-birders" colonizing other continents (America, Australia) 
from Europe and naming birds after superficially similar birds at home. 
All sparrows in the Americas (except for the introduced House and Tree 
Sparrows) are actually emberizids (aka buntings in the old world). On the other 
side the American buntings (except for Snow and Lark Buntings which are true 
buntings) are actually cardinalids. American orioles are icterids and so on.
Similar here: Australian Magpies are artamids and not corvids, and there are 
many more examples.

Nikolas
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Nikolas Haass

Sydney, NSW 



----- Original Message ----
From: Philip Veerman <>
To: Bill Jolly <>; ; birding-aus 
<>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:51:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Sparrows

Very good answer from Bill. I would add that there are of course many species 
of the genus Passer (which are the sparrows, the nominate genus of the order, 
from which the word passerine is derived) and only two of those were introduced 
to Australia. America also has another different family of birds, many or maybe 
all of which are called sparrows but these are not the same genus. 

The differences between the House Sparrow & Tree Sparrows are far greater than 
just "physical differences between them mostly about the head". They are very 
different in the extent of sexual dimorphism and as a corollary or consequence 
in their social behaviour. (This was the subject of a thesis I did a long time 
ago.) The Tree Sparrows being very unusual among a group in which most species 
are sexual dimorphic, in that the female plumage is like the typical for the 
males of the genus. 

I would also add that the native finch the Diamond Firetail is also unhelpfully 
called Diamond Sparrow sometimes. 

Philip



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