Moreover Dave (and Paul), any networking application that actually abused
the content their users submitted would probably see an exodus of both
content and people from their site. There are plenty of other social
networking sites, so while Facebook is the flavour of the month, Myspace,
Xanga, Orkut etc. are still good sites and could steal users easily. That's
not to say I'd put any high quality images up, but I wouldn't do that
ANYWHERE on the net, not without a visible watermark or logo that prevented
theft. Facebook is mostly covering themselves against being sued for some
unexpected reason I would imagine.
Regards,
Chris
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Paul Dodd <> wrote:
> Flickr has similar terms of service to Facebook - however it spells out in
> more detail what is meant by derivative works. With Flickr you can display
> photographs based on keywords - show me all the images of Night Parrots,
> for
> example. In producing a list of thumbnails for you to click on, Flickr
> requires the licence to display these images - this is considered a
> derivative work. Once again, by removing your photos, you are revoking the
> licence to use that image in these derivative works.
>
> I daresay any application that has a social-networking bent would require
> this sort of a licence. Dedicated photo hosting sites such as Pbase
> probably
> do not.
>
> Paul Dodd
> Docklands, Melbourne
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> On Behalf Of Alistair McKeough
> Sent: Thursday, 4 September 2008 4:51 PM
> To: Dave Torr
> Cc: Birding Aus
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Facebook, Birding Australia Wide and Birding Aus
>
> Dave
>
> I am not sure about Flickr. I do know that posting to Facebook is
> effectively giving your work away.
>
> To be honest, that's probably a complete non-issue for people wanting to
> discuss ID snapshots, but I don't think you'll find any of us who take
> photography a bit more seriously posting there.
>
> Alistair
>
> 2008/9/4 Dave Torr <>
>
> > I had not realised that (not that I intend to use the system). Which
> > presumably means that those who have proposed the use of Facebook as a
> way
> > to allow discussion of photos etc which cannot be done on BirdingAus will
> > now effectively lose any copyright over those photos. Does this apply to
> > sites such as Flickr which I believe (I am not a photographer) are used
> for
> > photo sharing and MAY be more appropriate than Facebook?
> >
> > 2008/9/4 Carl Clifford <>
> >
> > And the sting is in the tail. "to prepare derivative works of, or
> >> incorporate into other works, such User Content, and to grant and
> authorize
> >> sublicenses of the
> >> foregoing." means that they can sell any of your details and anything
> you
> >> post, to any one, anywhere, without informing you,, and you can do sweet
> >> nothing about it. Oh yes, you could take it to court, in the USA. But
> how
> >> much can you afford to spend? You bet Fakebook has deeper pockets.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Carl Clifford
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 04/09/2008, at 4:26 PM, Alistair McKeough wrote:
> >>
> >> It's your life. Just make sure you read and understand the terms of
> >> service.
> >> Anything you post (including all those photos of their kids people like
> to
> >> put up) belong to the Face Borg.
> >>
> >> And if you're not sharing real information, what's the point?
> >>
> >> Have fun.
> >>
> >> "By posting User Content to any part of the Site, you automatically
> grant,
> >> and you represent and warrant that you have the right to grant, to the
> >> Company an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully
> >> paid,
> >> worldwide license (with the right to sublicense) to use, copy, publicly
> >> perform, publicly display, reformat, translate, excerpt (in whole or in
> >> part) and distribute such User Content for any purpose, commercial,
> >> advertising, or otherwise, on or in connection with the Site or the
> >> promotion thereof, to prepare derivative works of, or incorporate into
> >> other
> >> works, such User Content, and to grant and authorize sublicenses of the
> >> foregoing."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2008/9/3 Katherine Bronte <>
> >>
> >> Just a quick congratulations to Kurtis and Russell for the birding
> groups
> >>> on
> >>> Facebook. It is lovely to see that both groups are being joined. And
> for
> >>> those who are dubious about Facebook.....you are the master of your own
> >>> profile!!
> >>>
> >>> A positive thought on a wee bit gloomy of a day in Newcastle!
> >>>
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