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Royal Albatross, C & B taxonomy and Biogeography.

To: "Ross Silcock" <>, "BIRDING-AUS" <>, "John Penhallurick" <>
Subject: Royal Albatross, C & B taxonomy and Biogeography.
From: "Mike Carter" <>
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:27:31 +1000
In response to "John Penhallurick's"

< I do not understand how any sane person can split the Northern (sanfordi) and Southern (epomophora) Royal Albatrosses when the Tamura-Nei cytochrome-b distance between them is 0.0000.>
(What ever that means!)

"Ross Silcock" <> said:

< Issues of sanity aside, shouldn't biological considerations (as mentioned by Double et al for other decisions) be at least as important as genetic indications? If there is minimal or no gene flow between given populations because of location or timing of breeding, then these populations would be at worst incipient species.>
But Ross, surely there has to be gene flow? According to the Onley & 
Scofield 1970 there are hybrids at Taiaroa Heads and mixed Northern/Southern 
pairs on Enderby Island. So where is the biological separation? Certainly 
not location or timing of breeding.
Rather than incipient species, perhaps they're going the other way and 
better regarded as converging taxa (the word 'species' is now almost 
meaningless).
Unfortunately, it seems to me that there is at best a remote association 
between modern 'taxonomy' and 'sanity'. Onley & Scofield 1970 would 
recognise twenty (20) albatross 'species' for Australia, Christidis & Boles 
just ten (10). Where is the consensus and therefore sanity there! So no 
longer is it a matter of science and therefore a matter of fact but even 
more so than it was traditionally, a matter of opinion.
Which brings me to the other point. Since these days splitting taxa is 
politically influenced as it has serious implications for conservation, an 
argument with which I have some sympathy (e.g. Helmeted/Yellow-tufted 
Honeyeater in Victoria!) then let us take political association further and 
apply it to what we count as Australia. Excluding Christmas Island from 
Australia on biogeographical grounds as espoused by Peter Menkhorst 
('Questions about Pizzey & Knight Edition 8', 14th August) and supported by 
David Adams ('Biogeography', 20th August) is very dangerous. If you think 
that the locals or the Indonesians would provide the same protection for 
Abbott's Booby and the other Christmas Island indigenous birds (oh dear, I 
nearly said species), you're wrong. The arguments for retaining and 
embracing Cocos (Keeling) and Heard Island are similar. Regarding Macquarie 
Island it is geologically loosely connected to Australia via Tasmania rather 
than New Zealand by a succession of undersea ridges. So I say that Les 
Christidis and Walter Boles do the right thing by producing one list which 
covers Australia and its territories, land, seabed and water out to the 200 
Nm exclusive economic zone. Australians are visiting our far-flung 
territories with increasing frequency so any field guide omitting those 
areas do us no favours and forgo the opportunity to tighten our claim on 
these regions. Shame on you!
Mike Carter
30 Canadian Bay Road
Mount Eliza  VIC 3930
Tel  (03) 9787 7136

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