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Button-quail Sought by Police

To: "'Carol Probets'" <>, <>
Subject: Button-quail Sought by Police
From: "Tony Russell" <>
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:45:02 +1030
Well said Carol. Now add the bit about the enormous pressure one feels
when trying to produce the required bird, and the dreadful feeling when
your luck is out and no bird shows up.  I can think of few other
businesses in which luck plays such a large part in getting your product
to the client.
Nevertheless, there is also the tremendous positive of having your
client having cosmic flashes when you do get the bird for them.

Tony Russell


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From: 
 On Behalf Of Carol
Probets
Sent: Friday, 28 January 2005 5:30 PM
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Subject: Button-quail Sought by Police

A late addition to this thread as I've had a busy week and only just 
catching up on emails but I wanted to add a few thoughts on this 
topic. (Note that these are meant as general comments and not 
necessarily referring to the button-quail example which started off 
this thread. I don't know enough about that example to comment on it.)

As a birding guide it is often tempting to keep the best locations 
secret, however the way I look at it is like this... Guiding is much 
more than just knowing what location to go to. People pay for a 
complete birding experience - from the planning and logistics through 
to the skill of actually finding the birds, the most up-to-date and 
local knowledge, transport, education and discussion, and even the 
refreshments which may be provided along the way. In other words, 
paying for a guide can be a much easier and more effective way of 
utilising limited time in an area that the client may not be familiar 
with, than trying to do it all by themselves. Whenever I give 
locations for my sightings in the public arena, I do so with a fair 
amount of confidence that this will not result in a net reduction in 
the work I get. In fact I believe that the extra promotion of the 
area and its birds can only benefit the industry overall.

However, for obvious reasons there are a few cases where I don't 
disclose an exact location in a public forum. These include private 
property or other sites which aren't publicly accessible, and 
breeding locations for rare species or species which might be 
vulnerable to disturbance or poaching. This has nothing to do with 
being a guide, but something that should apply to all birders (and 
has been said many times before on this forum). Providing such 
information for scientific or conservation purposes is a different 
matter and I'm more than happy to do this. I believe such knowledge 
is vitally important.

As an aside, may I add some comments on guiding. People who have 
never worked as a guide might be tempted to think it's all fun and 
easy! Believe me, despite its joys it's far from an easy way to make 
a living. Any profit is eaten away by vehicle running costs, 
insurance costs, licence fees and regulations, etc, and for each day 
of guiding there's a large amount of unseen work in planning, 
preparation, not to mention marketing and the ever-increasing red 
tape. The necessity for early morning and late afternoon as the 
optimum times for birding result in very long and tiring days, not to 
mention night spotlighting as well. Then there's bad weather to 
contend with, and the stress of "surefire" birds which suddenly fail 
to appear. ("It was here yesterday" is no consolation to someone 
who's paid good money for the experience!) Despite all this, when 
things go well it's an immense joy and I feel truly privileged to 
work doing what I love.

Sorry for straying somewhat from the original topic! I hope it 
provides a little bit of understanding and tolerance or at least food 
for thought.

Cheers

Carol





At 2:02 PM +1030 25/1/05, Tony Russell wrote:
>Hi, my two bob's worth.
>  Alan's note raises some points for me.
>  Many's the time I've sought information on where to find certain
birds
>and found some operators very loathe to divulge the locations of their
>local "specials". Whilst this can be frustrating I can also fully
>understand a professional guide wanting to protect his/her product
>knowledge in the same way as anyone else in business has to. However, I
>wouldn't necessarily ascribe this rationale to Del's note.
>  I have also come across some non-guiding birders who just don't like
>giving out information. Their attitude seems to be "find your own birds
>!", which seems a bit miserable.
>Personally I now give information freely to any birder (once they
>establish their bona fides as a genuine birder). It saves me having to
>take them around the place. But when I was doing a bit of guiding I was
>a lot more cautious about giving away my information without being paid
>for it. One could argue that such " nature" information should be in
the
>public domain and available to all for free - well, that's Ok for those
>not trying to make a living , but if you are depending on the income
>it's a different matter.
>
>Tony Russell
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