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From: Tom Tarrant <>
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 04:50:14 +1000
Apologies for cross-posting.....wondered if anyone can help with this
request on Birdchat. Please reply to Ronald or Bob.

Tom and Marie Tarrant
Lot 10 (137) Watson Rd
Samsonvale, Queensland 4521

Tel: 07 3425 1780
Mob: 0409 264 725

Birding Southern Queensland


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Subject: [BIRDCHAT] Fwd: New Guinea finches
From: Ronald Orenstein <>
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:36:07 -0400
I received the following request from Dr Robert Payne of the University of
Michigan.  Can anyone be of help on this?  We have turned up a photo of
Erythrura papuana, from Bruce Beehler.  Also - if anyone has photos of
juvenile estrildids from the Bismarcks this would be appreciated too!

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:56:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Robert B. Payne" <>
To: ron orenstein <>
Subject: New Guinea finches

Dear Ron,

I am working up our ideas on relationships in the Estrildidae, from our
mtDNA work and from mouth markings and colors.  There are several New
Guinea estrildids for which I have not found observations or photos of the
mouths, of nestlings or juveniles.  Perhaps you know some of these.

Main lack is Oreostruthus fuliginosus, a nest was found in 1968 and
reported in New Guinea Bird Society Newsletter no. 32, p. 3, 1968, by Dick
Donaghey, and the report said "Mr Donaghey is preparing some nbotes on it
for publication" but I've not seen a later reference.  Wonder if it has a
mouth like Australian firetails, or something else.

Other New Guinea birds for which I don't know mouths are Erythrura
papuana, Lonchura montana, L. monticola and some other Lonchura.

best wishes, Bob

Robert B. Payne                                    Phone: 734-647-2208
Curator of Birds and Professor of Zoology          FAX: 734-763-4080
3019 Museum of Zoology                             e-mail: 
1109 Geddes Ave.
University of Michigan
Ann Arbor, MI  48109-1079 USA

Ronald I. Orenstein                           Phone: (905) 820-7886
International Wildlife Coalition              Fax/Modem: (905) 569-0116
1825 Shady Creek Court
Mississauga, Ontario, Canada L5L 3W2          

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