>Librarians, e.g., Denis Abbott, please
Look at that! You invoke Denis Abbot and the answer appears on your
screen. As well he mentioned one of everyone's favourtie birds,
Forty-spotted Pardalote. I was a drongo not to have thought of him
earlier. Many thanks too to Marjorie Wisby of Townsville (who has a
pinchable quote in here signature). Majorie, Jenny Norman, the kingpin
for SABirdnet, posted your excellent letter in South Africa yesterday. I
have just posted Denis's letter to there too.
Also I naughtily replied to Wilkes there and forgot about Birding-aus.
Normally I would not mention the slip, but I am seeking a prize for
prescience. Please send all email of adoration to me: the best wins an
Glen Ingram wrote:
"Drongo" is fascinating. However, the earliest explanation of the word
in the pejorative in Australian English (Strine) refers to the bird as
the origin. That is what my question about "before World War II" is
about. I have narrowed the timing down to: "drongo" not in use before
1900 and widespread after World War II.
Anyone rub shoulders with Australian troops in the last War?
The problem with the Wilkes interpretation (below) is: coming second all
the time is not that bad: in fact it is excellent. From oral culture I
had learnt it came last all the time, which would be more acceptable as
an origin. There has to be more to the usage: "Drongo" would not have
been the first nor the last to perform either way.
"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One
path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total
extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly" Woody
Denis Abbott wrote:
> G'day Glen & Birding ozzers (I repied to Glen ysterday but since I've
> in all this stuff about drongos I thought it could be shared)
> Glad to hear that things are bearable for you but I hope that pain
> Well here's devotion to a cause. I'm in here on Sat arvo. Sidney J.
> "The Australian language"(first pub. 1945 rev. 1966) did have more on
> derivation of drongo:
> pp. 135-136
> "...seems to have come from the use of Drongo as the name of a horse.
> quote: "In Melbourne, in the early 'twenties, a Victorian horse by the
> of Drongo won a certain claim to fame by consistently finishing last
> near last. Black-and-white artist Sammy Wells, then of the Melbourne
> "Herald", adopted Drongo as a character in his political and sporting
> cartoons. Drongo was the no-hoper in every situation..."
> A correspondent who devoted much time to studying the origin of
> says that the horse with that name raced five times in 1923 and sixth
> his best placing. In 1924, he had fifteen starts, running two seconds,
> three thirds, one fifth and one sixth (one of the seconds was in the
> Victoria Derby; the other was in the St Leger Stakes). In 1925 Drongo
> earned three seconds and four thirds. Which makes one wonder whether
> Wells was fair in nominating the horse as an all-round no-hoper. My
> correspondent adds: "It occurs to me that, as the glossy black plumage
> the Australian bird called the Drongo is sometimes described as dark
> this may have been the actual start of the slang usage of the word,
> and the
> association with the horse-that-never-won-a-race merely an
> All new service recruits are traditionally regarded as no-hopers by
> the old
> hands - which may explain why the raw recruits to the R.A.A.F. got the
> about 1940"
> p. 307
> In a section on the use of names from flora and fauna Baker talks of
> use of: "..morepork to describe a simpleton or dull-witted
> morepork has faded from use, but two other bird names, galah and
> have taken over."
> Regards, Denis
> PS The 40 spots are still there and in good nos. At least 8 a couple
> sundays back.
> Denis Abbott ph:(03) 62 325
> Librarian Int: (61 3) 62
> 325 257
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> Hobart Tas
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At 01:41 PM 20/06/97 +1000, you wrote:
>Does anyone know of the use of the word "drongo" in the strine sense
>literature before World War II. Quote will be fine but reference where
>to find it would also be great. Librarians, e.g., Denis Abbott, please
The word drongo actually came into Strine use via a racehorse. The horse
presumably named for the bird, of course. Drongo was foaled in 1921, and
ignominious career ended in 1925. Apparently he excelled at coming in
second, and never won a race. From that time, anything which wasn't
to snuff was called a drongo, and subsequently the soubtriquet was
to anything clumsy, stupid or worthless.
My authority is G.A. Wilkes, _A Dictionary of Australian
Hope this helps.
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